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In this episode, Part 7 of our ongoing series on China, we take a deep dive into one of the most impressive and underreported achievements of the 21st century: China's Zero COVID policy. Zero COVID was a mostly successful attempt by the world's largest socialist state to protect its population (and, as we'll see, the world's population) from the SARS-CoV virus.

Creighton Ward, Kevin Li, and Alessandro Zancan are our guests for this conversation. Creighton is a member of the Friends of Socialist China, Qiao Collective, and a Long COVID, ME/CFS patient advocate. Kevin is a member of Qiao Collective working as a writer and translator and is trained in public health and epidemiology. And Alessandro is a Marxist artist and developer, a member of the Iskra Books editorial board and a member of the Friends of Socialist China Britain Committee.

In this conversation we unpack the various elements of China's Zero COVID policy—contact tracing, mass testing, border quarantine, and, of course, lockdowns. We talk about the results that Zero COVID had, which could perhaps be characterized as one of the most remarkable achievements of the 21st century. We compare China's socialist COVID response to that of the West—particularly the US and the UK—and discuss how these very different political and economic systems operate and what this means about how they value human life and societal well-being. We explore China’s international solidarity during the initial phases of the pandemic, dispel some of the most common myths about China’s COVID response, explore a bit about China’s overall healthcare system, and analyze the different experiences of living in a country with socialist values versus living in a country where capital accumulation is all that matters.

Further resources:

• Qiao Collective
• Friends of Socialist China
•  A look back on three years of China’s anti-Covid-19 fight, by Tings Chak
• Let Them Eat Plague!
• UCLA Covid Behind Bars Data Project
• Comparing the response to Covid-19 in China and the US

Related episodes:

• Listen to our ongoing series on China
• Health Communism with Beatrice Adler-Bolton
• COVID and the Pandemic with Beatrice Adler-Bolton

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